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Erl Happ's avatar

Mandating untested vaccines was over-reach. I took one of the AstraZeneca and took refuge in Ivermectin. No covid yet at the age of 82. The tendency to mandate and regulate is over the top. But this is Australia and its likely an inherited trait from first settlement days when political prisoners were enslaved to serve the elite. Banning the use of Ivermectin and taking away the license to practice from doctors who read about the efficacy of its use overseas was a reprehensible act of Big Pharma who were intent on promoting their extraordinarily expensive patented products.

And then we had fact checkers in the media to control the narrative. Lessons learnt.

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Olger Quincy's avatar

Erl, I totally agree with your perspective, except your conclusion "lesson learnt". Unfortunately it's definitely lesson not learnt. Take the second Iraq war for example, they lied about WMD's. We didn't have fact-checkers then, we had a compliant media, who then afterwards did a little bit of penitence when it was all done and dusted, and the lie was too obvious to conceal, so they said some magic words to the effect "it wasn't specifically me who was a journalistic mouthpiece for whatever the government wanted to lie about, but our industry in general has learnt our lesson". They just ran the same script with Iran, and it worked. (Iran has been on the verge (according to the media) of getting a nuclear weapon since the 80s). The recipe is repeated across many things over and over again. Lesson never learnt.

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Erl Happ's avatar

True enough. The perpetrators may never learn. The victim's might be more resistant next time around. The great unwashed will likely go with the flow. They are hard to arouse

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Dianne Bentley's avatar

There needs to be an enquiry into the Covid shots, too many people are dropping dead and too many are suffering illnesses

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James Bishop's avatar

The Australian Dept of Health published a daily tally of infections by age groups and deaths by age groups for about 2.5 years.

From the beginning of Covid in early 2020. Their own figures showed that children aged 0 to 10 were at zero risk of dying of covid. This was over a population of about 500,000 infections for that age group.

Same for 10 to 20 age group. No statistically significant risk of death by Covid. None at all, ever.

When the vaccines were made mandatory and children were advised to have the vaccine, the daily figures were no longer posted and the whole site was removed.

What conclusions can one draw from that… even the Dept of Health and presumably the Minister for Health, the TGA and all those other ‘regulatory bodies’ knew they were lying to the entire public about the need to vaccinate children. Their own figures clearly proved this to be so.

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KP's avatar

I’m sorry for your loss. My family are a litany of heart disease deaths and it is just so sudden it leaves you reeling and not knowing which way is up. It’s slow and then all of a sudden, like a flash flood. The next year is going to be especially hard with all the “firsts” without her. I hope the funeral is a bittersweet and fitting tribute to her life.

The Covid thing has been complicated for my family too and it’s hard to know which way to look. Even highly experienced medical doctors like my Nonno who lived through serious pandemics and started practicing medicine in the late 1950s had a hard time with it. Thank you for writing a clear and concise analysis to help people think. Lord knows we all need more of that and less knee jerk fear of death and liability.

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Erl Happ's avatar

The more doses you receive the faster you die: Japanese study: https://x.com/_aussie17/status/1934964286557925479

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Suzann Vasanji's avatar

It looks from the comments that a lot of people took the vax and are now on the defensive that it might be harmful. You only need to look at Dr Tenpenny and her research, Dr John Campbell who has many discussions on it, Dr Carrie Madej who was one of the first to show pictures of what was in blood of vaxxed people afterwards, clots, hydrogel etc. I’m no expert but I can read. There’s also another doctor who’s name I can’t remember that has covered the topic of what’s in the blood of vaxxed people and has shown many slides on it. You don’t have to be a scientist to learn this stuff so don’t be deceived that it was just covid that caused all the deaths. I have known a woman in my circle that got blood clots in the leg after 5 of these shots. Luckily survived but now has trouble walking. She will not have connected the dots as most don’t. Why would they when they did it to themselves. I also know of one woman who was, as far as I could see, fit and active. To my surprise she suddenly got turbo cancer and was dead within the year. There are also others got strange health conditions after 5 of these. I had a cousin who had a recurrence of a blood cancer that he did not survive this time. I know he and partner took all that was going during covid. None of these will be connected. Covid was 5 years ago and people are still afraid of it. Time to stop

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Suzann Vasanji's avatar

Also should have noted Dr Vernon Coleman who has a lot to say on it. (Often slated as a conspiracy theorist because he used to talk out about a lot of stuff).

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John Takacs's avatar

you should follow Julian Gillespie on Substack for a super deep dive into Covid. He's a retired high court Barrister.

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Union Forward's avatar

So when are we going to ALL GET ON THE SAME PAGE that we are in a SPIRITUAL WARFARE of the Globalist's (Satanists') DE-POPULATION Program?

Catch up to what is really going on--or DIE:

http://pppway.net/CoronaBaloney.htm

THE ENEMY OF GOD AND HUMANITY:

http://undergod.love/TheseTimes.htm

SAVE YOUR KIDS FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER:

http://citizensamericaparty.org/vaccines.htm

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Olger Quincy's avatar

I'm beginning to believe that there are daemons and evil spirits, more and more it's the only conclusion left. We have the morality of the masses, and the morality of the rulers. Two different things. We have slave morality, and they have something else. We are told we are evil if we forget to recycle our water bottle, and then we are told it is moral to destroy an entire building of people just trying to live their lives to target some sort of terrorist (chosen by statistical AI analysis), it's the good guys dropping the bombs by the way, if you are confused, don't be.

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Union Forward's avatar

Satanists are controlling us. They are also psychopaths. That's why nothing makes sense. They also do that to play with us. They have turned the world inside out and upside down to their rule of death, destruction, deception, and theft. I invite you to see real live Satanists -- Children of the Devil -- in play here: http://undergod.love/RosaryPrayerforPalestine.htm

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Peter Campbell Griffin's avatar

It seems a very compelling chart of blood clot incidence

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Bob Roberts's avatar

This is exactly the kind of confusion that the inclusion of the google trends chart was intended to create. The chart does not indicate blood clot incidence, let alone blood clot incidence with a causal link to vaccination.

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Olger Quincy's avatar

The lies are stacking up. The consensus (as much as one can trust that) is turning that COVID was a lab leak. The FBI, CIA, the BND (ze Germans), the DoE (Department of Energy) have all said the preponderance of evidence (this is before Trump) points towards it escaping from a Lab. Then we are forced to take untested vaccines, and the liberal shills scream at us to trust the experts and shut up and take the medicine. Orwell couldn't have even conceived of such a dystopian scenario. They make the virus, they make the solution, and at every step we are gaslit into not believing our own minds, and the liberal Kapos are the enforcers (one can find a few in the comments below). That nobody is put against the wall and shot is the biggest tragedy. We are weak and kept weak so that we won't shoot the bastards.

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Alec's avatar

Im sorry for your loss Cameron. It is interesting though that you admit she happened to have a 'cold' a week prior. We know that myocarditis developes in the 1-4 weeks post infection (not just covid), and absolutely NOT 12 months post vaccine. We also know that covid is many times more likely to cause myocarditis than thr vaccine. So the hinting assumption that it was the vaccine that potentially caused this, is just a little disingenuous. I love your stuff on economics, but perhaps the calls to leave it to the medical experts are accurate here, as they are the experts after all.

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Cameron Murray's avatar

How do you know all this?

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Geoff's avatar

Seems to checkout when asking ChatGPT.

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Rugnarldo's avatar

Sorry. You're wrong. The injections are killing thousands. The proof is all out there now. Masses of harm. We were ALL lied to.

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Bob Roberts's avatar

Using google search trends is beneath you. Why not use actual medical data on the rate of myocarditis and blood clots?

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Cameron Murray's avatar

This comment is beneath you

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Bob Roberts's avatar

Defend your decision. Google Trends could simply indicate that there was a large scare campaign at the time by antivaxxers, or reflect that Covid infection causes myocarditis.

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Rugnarldo's avatar

The mass deaths do not lie.

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Alec's avatar

Yeah this is very bad science. Associations tell us nothing. I guess economists don't understand science that well though.

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Bob Roberts's avatar

You can’t have fresh economic thinking if you abandon the thinking part.

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Cameron Murray's avatar

I literally put forward the exact same analysis of risk that is now the official position in many nations. I understand science. You understand The Science. Different things.

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Bob Roberts's avatar

Google trends is not science.

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Phil Waller's avatar

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/myocarditis-and-covid-19-vaccines-should-you-be-worried#:~:text=in%20the%20UK.-,Can%20Covid%2D19%20cause%20myocarditis%3F,including%20heart%20attack%20and%20stroke.

Sorry fo your loss

but

you can get myocarditis via the infection itself so to state the vaccine caused it is disengenous at best. She could have caught covid and had the same outcome

displays to me very little critical thinking

unsubscribing

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Cameron Murray's avatar

Bye

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Rugnarldo's avatar

To state the vaccines are safe is disingenuous at the least. We all see the deaths now. Only shill, bots and the feckless still push the jab. Which are you?

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PixieMatt's avatar

In 2021 there were over 100,000 covid deaths in both Italy and uk alone.

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Kent's avatar

So you believe the media?

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Rugnarldo's avatar

Ten times more deaths from the jab. Not counting infant mortality. Are you still pushing the depopulation?

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Anthony Crossley's avatar

Please be assured that, for the many of us who lost relatives, friends and acquaintances to COVID and avoidable "low risk" road accidents, it's personal too. Your piece is heartfelt, and I have no doubt the facts selected for presentation are accurate. But you have deserted the principles of critical economic and scientific thinking. There is zero attempt to evaluate trade-offs, just a peevish dismissal of context and decision-making under pressure. No attempt to hint at what a rational attitude to urgent medical intervention in novel emergencies might be. It remains a puzzle why the integrity of arguably rational covid vaccine skepticism is so dominated by arrogant charlatans.

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Mark S's avatar

I appreciate your rational, quantifiable approach Cameron. But prior to any cost/benefit analysis, there should be some principled approach to the limits of government in restricting freedoms that underpin western liberal democracies. Without this foundation government tyranny is inevitable, whether it be through some medical “emergency” or another issue.

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MeAgain's avatar

"Vaccine bereaved" cannot be just "a thing". We don't do capital punishment for the risk of the state executing an innocent person. Yet there is still a risk that the criminal could escape - there could be a natural disaster at the prison. To be able to kill citizens with a medical treatment is beyond what should be possible, no matter what the benefit perceived. The balance may be different in the US where they do still execute, and that is another conversation we might need to have. Government should not push drugs.

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